Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4251 Post by hearthesilence » Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:01 pm

Amazing Goose wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:10 pm
Days of Heaven is still on there, too, so there’s not a direct correlation.

I’m debating selling my Third Man blu and Grand Illusion DVD, but if their appearance on the channel isn’t reliable harbinger of their return to the physical collection, I may hold off (and I’m still a little burned from selling my Chungking Express disc...)
FWIW, I sold the Third Man BD years ago (for $200 after subtracting fees!) and have been fine with the UK BD. The soundtrack has issues, but so did the Criterion BD (albeit different issues) and it was nothing that would make the Criterion BD truly preferable. The big loss of course is the Soderbergh/Gilroy commentary track, but I was able to rip it from a YouTube upload and make an mp3. Not ideal, but it does the trick whether I play it on my stereo or my laptop (via iTunes) with the BD playing on the TV.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4252 Post by Amazing Goose » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:21 am

That's helpful to hear, actually. If for nothing else than because I can sometimes get a little too precious with my Criterion releases. With the backlog of releases I've bought and yet to watch (are we still calling those kevyips?), it's been a long time since I've even watch my Third Man disc and I have plenty to keep me busy for a while as well. (Now watch me put it up on eBay this weekend and a re-release get announced and tank the final-hour price fight.)

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4253 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:31 am

Amazing Goose wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:21 am
That's helpful to hear, actually. If for nothing else than because I can sometimes get a little too precious with my Criterion releases. With the backlog of releases I've bought and yet to watch (are we still calling those kevyips?), it's been a long time since I've even watch my Third Man disc and I have plenty to keep me busy for a while as well. (Now watch me put it up on eBay this weekend and a re-release get announced and tank the final-hour price fight.)
I actually used Amazon and it was the last thing I sold on there before they loaded it up with bureaucratic nonsense that made it unfeasible for a casual seller like myself. eBay may be the only game in town - there's nothing else that has the same reach, and discogs' attempt to do a film version of their site completely flopped.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4254 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:35 am

Conversely I find the release priceless- I rented Criterion’s The Third Man from my local lib countless times, then pulled the plug and bought it off eBay years ago for a good price (relatively speaking) but still haven’t watched it. I could sell the still-sealed disc for probably three times what I paid but having the opportunity to break out the disc and listen to the commentaries on a whim into my old age vs some cash in my pocket now (that I’ll surely blow just as quickly on other media) is an easy call

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4255 Post by senseabove » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:57 am

hearthesilence wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:31 am
I actually used Amazon and it was the last thing I sold on there before they loaded it up with bureaucratic nonsense that made it unfeasible for a casual seller like myself. eBay may be the only game in town - there's nothing else that has the same reach, and discogs' attempt to do a film version of their site completely flopped.
eBay is now demanding my social security number if I want to sell anything, so even they're not casual enough for me anymore...

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4256 Post by Amazing Goose » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 am

therewillbeblus wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:35 am
Conversely I find the release priceless- I rented Criterion’s The Third Man from my local lib countless times, then pulled the plug and bought it off eBay years ago for a good price (relatively speaking) but still haven’t watched it. I could sell the still-sealed disc for probably three times what I paid but having the opportunity to break out the disc and listen to the commentaries on a whim into my old age vs some cash in my pocket now (that I’ll surely blow just as quickly on other media) is an easy call
These days I'm a stay-at-home dad with two young children by day and I work from a home office in the evenings (and nights), so my time for even watching a Criterion film is pretty limited. Listening to commentaries or exploring bonus features is a luxury I don't anticipate having any time soon.

And yes, i was just thinking earlier today how I used to sell all of my old DVDs on Amazon, but since they updated their rules I've almost forgotten that I used to do that.

I'm first and foremost a movie-lover, but seem to be cursed with trying to make any money from my collecting--I sold my Chungking Express blu when the box was hinted at in the New Year's clue, only to find out about the "restorations" (still going to use that money to buy the box); I held onto my Sternberg DVD box when it was selling for a lot, only to have it be re-released in blu; and bought a couple extra copies of In the Mood for Love, expecting for them to go out of print once the WKW box was released, but another post has Criterion confirming that the original edition is staying in print (for now, anyway.) So if I hang onto my copy of The Third Man, it'll likely come back into print this month or next.
The lesson is to just enjoy the films for what they are.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4257 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:13 am

senseabove wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:57 am
eBay is now demanding my social security number if I want to sell anything, so even they're not casual enough for me anymore...
Holy crap, what for?

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4258 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:17 am

Amazing Goose wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 am
I'm first and foremost a movie-lover, but seem to be cursed with trying to make any money from my collecting--I sold my Chungking Express blu when the box was hinted at in the New Year's clue, only to find out about the "restorations" (still going to use that money to buy the box)
That restoration to me MIGHT be all right and may soon be available separately from Nova Media. At first glance, the color doesn't look wrong or off, but compared with the old BD, there are notable differences. The loss of the Rayns commentary is unfortunate but I'm sure someone has uploaded it somewhere.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4259 Post by senseabove » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:09 pm

hearthesilence wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:13 am
Holy crap, what for?
Dunno! I searched around and saw people complaining about being asked for it over the past few years, and a few people on Twitter complaining about it in the past few weeks/months, but no definite explanations. I saw some suggestion that it's to do with new IRS rules that dramatically lower the threshold for reporting income from online sales from a few thousand to $600 or so, but the "give it—or else!" emails from eBay didn't mention that, that doesn't jive with complaints about the demand going years back, and I haven't sold that much on eBay in a single year recently (or ever, iirc), so I'm not sure why I'd get the pinch now given that my eBay account is literally old enough to drink! But whatever the reason, it means I'm not selling on eBay anymore.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4260 Post by dwk » Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm

According to Howard Fishman, Criterion has plans to release Round Midnight

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4261 Post by schellenbergk » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:22 am

yoloswegmaster wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:36 am
'The Grand Illusion', 'The Third Man' and 'Contempt' are back on the Channel, and they all open up with the Criterion Collection logo and they seem to be using the newer remasters.
I noticed that on 'The Third Man' - I also noticed the wacky C on "A nous la liberte" - but I can't tell if it's been remastered. I would have to dig out the old disc - but I think they both used the earlier 'pre-wacky-C' logo... the one with the line.

I never did upgrade my DVD of 'The Third Man' - it was my very first DVD purchase and was a brand new release (!) at the time. The DVD transfer still looks pretty darn good. I watched it just a few weeks ago and even on a large TV it looks pretty sharp, which is amazing for such an old DVD. It looks so good I didn't upgrade to Blu when I had a chance earlier. But I'd happily do so now if they re-release it. Ditto 'Grand Illusion'

And I would upgrade the Rene Clair film as well - I love his French work and think he's rather overlooked these days.
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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4262 Post by yoloswegmaster » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:29 am

schellenbergk wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:22 am
I noticed that on 'The Third Man' - I also noticed the wacky C on "A nous la liberte" - but I can't tell if it's been remastered. I would have to dig out the old disc - but I think they both used the earlier 'pre-wacky-C' logo... the one with the line.
I just checked looked at it and it looks to me that they are using the DVD version.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4263 Post by hearthesilence » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:59 pm

schellenbergk wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:22 am
yoloswegmaster wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:36 am
'The Grand Illusion', 'The Third Man' and 'Contempt' are back on the Channel, and they all open up with the Criterion Collection logo and they seem to be using the newer remasters.
I noticed that on 'The Third Man' - I also noticed the wacky C on "A nous la liberte" - but I can't tell if it's been remastered. I would have to dig out the old disc - but I think they both used the earlier 'pre-wacky-C' logo... the one with the line.

I never did upgrade my DVD of 'The Third Man' - it was my very first DVD purchase and was a brand new release (!) at the time. The DVD transfer still looks pretty darn good. I watched it just a few weeks ago and even on a large TV it looks pretty sharp, which is amazing for such an old DVD. It looks so good I didn't upgrade to Blu when I had a chance earlier. But I'd happily do so now if they re-release it. Ditto 'Grand Illusion'

And I would upgrade the Rene Clair film as well - I love his French work and think he's rather overlooked these days.
The original Criterion DVD of The Third Man has the best mastering of the soundtrack - dynamic range fully intact without any of the harsh EQ or compression that was applied later on. (Criterion may have applied some denoising later on too - that's been a problem with a lot of Criterion reissues, where they suck some of the life out of the soundtrack just to clean out some audible but easily ignorable hiss.)

I was hoping they'd upgrade the Clair title and properly restore the excised scenes into the feature, where they were meant to be. For some reason I sold off my DVD thinking it would happen anytime soon, and that was probably ten years ago!

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4264 Post by Bressonaire » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:29 am

Isn't it time to open the guessing thread? Announcements should be tomorrow.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4265 Post by domino harvey » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:32 am

The parking lot is open now, Deep Throat

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4266 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:52 pm

I don't know if this has been mentioned before but this hi-rez screen image is from the Trouble In Paradise page. This looks incredible
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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4267 Post by DRW.mov » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:55 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:52 pm
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but this hi-rez screen image is from the Trouble In Paradise page. This looks incredible
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This isn’t a screenshot, it’s an on set production still. Therefore not indicative of a film’s restoration.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4268 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:02 pm

Too bad. :(

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#4269 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:06 pm

Am I making this up, or aren't the materials for Trouble in Paradise supposedly in rough shape? I'm pretty sure there'd be more notice for a resto if it'd look so pristine, but I could see Criterion giving up and doing their best with a Lady Eve upgrade job

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#4270 Post by soundchaser » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:09 pm

Yeah, I think Eureka released it DVD-only in 2012 because they didn’t feel the elements were up to snuff for Blu-Ray. My guesses of it are absolutely wishful thinking.

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#4271 Post by dustybooks » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:11 pm

I would be more than thrilled with a Lady Eve-caliber release of just about any MIA classic Hollywood title at this point. Maybe sans the Zoom conference.

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#4272 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:14 pm

Oh I definitely think it'll get released on blu, I just think it'll be a compromised effort unless we get big neon signs alerting us to a miracle enterprise (and like dustybooks, I too would be thrilled with any upgrade, as I was with The Lady Eve)

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4273 Post by yoloswegmaster » Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:29 am

therewillbeblus wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:06 pm
Am I making this up, or aren't the materials for Trouble in Paradise supposedly in rough shape? I'm pretty sure there'd be more notice for a resto if it'd look so pristine, but I could see Criterion giving up and doing their best with a Lady Eve upgrade job
You're in luck since a restored version of Trouble in Paradise was screened back in 2018. I also noticed that Universal will be releasing a bluray in Spain next month.

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#4274 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:01 pm

They're up
Mirror, Bringing Up baby, Working Girls, Deep Cover and La piscine.

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Re: Criterion Discussion and Random Speculation Volume 7

#4275 Post by Finch » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:02 pm

Tarkovsky, Hawks and the very promising sounding Deep Cover, for me the best of all the July line ups from the boutique labels (the ones announced yet).

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