The Future of Home Video

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#626 Post by tenia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:51 am

Absolutely, but I think The Bits' "confirmation" might be going a bit too quickly from rumor to facts (hence my remark). ;)
But they're saying they cross-referenced the info, so maybe I'm overly pessimistic (or optimistic, depending on how you look at it !).

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#627 Post by Ribs » Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:01 am

He, with some frequency, tends to use the same sourcing as confirmation of things happening that initial rumors do, which gives the impression of being confirmed but is actually just repeating the same info.

It’s also significant that for several of the studios the main driver in catalog UHD releases is tying them to theatrical releases that are relevant (indeed, this is what the Pixar, Marvel, and Star Wars were all tied to), so without new releases firmly on the calendar, it’s a little hard to date anything for a tie-in. Who knows that if Jungle Cruise still had come out that the Pirates movies could have been tied to it, etc.

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#628 Post by EddieLarkin » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:00 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:38 pm
Hope this stops people waiting for Criterion to board this train to nowhere
I doubt this is anything to do with the viability of the format, and instead all to do with Disney's disdain for physical media across the board, which has been evident for years (as the article says, Disney is the only studio whose home video stats are heading downward, because they release relatively fuck all already). If Bill is right, I very much expect this will apply just as much to Blu-ray as it will to UHD. So I guess now is the time to start collecting any Fox films absent from your collection, as once stock drys up they might never be available again on disc.

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#629 Post by tenia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:13 pm

Disney probably doesn't have so much some disdain for physical media than a more profitable (I guess) streaming platform to move viewers to now.

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#630 Post by movielocke » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:26 pm

A bunch of the executives from att/time warner got shit canned Friday for the pathetic hbo max numbers. Guess them making terrible and nonsensical decisions about streaming services a couple year ago indicted they weren’t going to be any good at their own streaming service.

Funny that firing all the talent you had running streaming services and shuttering all your successful streaming services somehow wasn’t indicative of being able to run a successful streaming service. Who could have Guessed?!

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... vin-reilly

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#631 Post by EddieLarkin » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:33 pm

tenia wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:13 pm
Disney probably doesn't have so much some disdain for physical media than a more profitable (I guess) streaming platform to move viewers to now.
Someone who wants to watch a Fox evergreen title like Aliens or Speed isn't going to ever find it on Disney's family friendly only streaming platform. They have many 4K HDR masters of these films ready to go (completed by Fox before the takeover), the Die Hard sequels and Patton to name a few, and it certainly seems like disdain to me to simply refuse to ever put them on disc.

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#632 Post by tenia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:41 pm

They seem to me to be replicating their Disney Vault strategy with Fox titles, ie generating an artificially increased demand by rarefying the access to some movies, only to make their access more attractive once they're made available again.

I would agree with you if it wasn't from this past model's existence and I wouldn't be surprised that their lack of availability online right now is because D+ is solely family-oriented while these movies aren't, and Disney first want to have a worldwide output solution for these movies.

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#633 Post by Ribs » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:10 pm

I think a big thing is definitely that a lot of Fox output deals are out of Disney’s hands until they expire (for new release movies, for example, they still have to go to HBO for a period, which is why they’re not actually able to dump New Mutants no matter how much they want to.) Similar agreements probably exist for chunks of the catalog titles as well, and it’ll be a few years until Disney’s actually able to just do whatever it wants with the library.

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#634 Post by Yakushima » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:20 pm

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has opened a brand new poll asking what films you want to see for future 4K UHD releases as part of a hypothetical Columbia Classics Volume 2 Collection. Make your voice heard!

https://secure.sonypictures.com/movies/ ... lls/4k_v2/

I voted for "Punch-Drunk Love", "ANATOMY OF A MURDER", "THE CITY OF LOST CHILDREN" and "BORN YESTERDAY".

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#635 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:52 pm

I didn't realize there was a site that tabulated DVD and Blu-ray sales, though it's not quite comprehensive. MichaelB has posted before how DVD sales were still substantially more than Blu-ray in the UK, and that still appears to be the case here in the U.S.

I stumbled on these sales figures for Beetlejuice, which just had a UHD reissue a month ago. There's huge gaps in the data, but you can see how many more Blu-ray units are typically sold compared to the early days of the format in 2009, when it was pretty much established as the HD format of choice with HD-DVDs demise.

They don't have earlier numbers for DVD, when that market was much bigger, but even now, DVD sales eclipse Blu-ray for this title by well over a 4 to 1 ratio on a weekly basis, though the gross revenue is far less than double of what they get from Blu-ray sales.

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#636 Post by tenia » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:14 am

DVD sales surpasses BD sales most likely everywhere in the world except Japan and South Korea, including in values : even though the prices are lower for DVD so revenues are too per unit, the difference in volume is most certainly enough that the DVD revenues also surpass the BD revenues.

I'm surprised however by the stability shown by those 2020 Beetlejuice BD sales.

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#637 Post by knives » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:41 am

Germany as well.

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#638 Post by tenia » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:17 am

I've been reading claims about the German home video market but haven't been able to find reliable numbers about it. If you have any, it'd be tremendous.

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#640 Post by cdnchris » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:02 pm

I guess it makes sense that you can program the discs to check the standard Blu-ray region of the player but I guess I thought that the 4K players by design wouldn't make that info available to 4K discs if they're supposed to be region free.

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#641 Post by Ribs » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:36 pm

I think by doing this they are openly violating the official UHD spec/certification, which is probably a big no-no and could get them fined or something I don't really know what the consequences would be. I'm sure it was an accident because why would you ever choose to do this.

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#642 Post by MichaelB » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:45 pm

It sounds like an accident. Which reminds me of an unfortunate incident about fifteen years ago when Munich was being screened for BAFTA members - and those outside London who couldn't attend private screenings (the film hadn't opened theatrically yet) were sent DVDs. But to prevent piracy, they were in a special encrypted format that could only be played on a proprietary player that had been provided to them free of charge.

The problem was that the Munich DVDs were accidentally locked to Region 1, making them literally unplayable on any player anywhere in the world. And by the time people realised what had happened, it was too late - and the eventual outcome can be gleaned from BAFTA's absence from this otherwise pretty impressive tally of awards and nominations.

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#643 Post by tenia » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:49 pm

If UHD can be region locked :
- then what regions are there ? What are their signs ? We had region 1, 2 etc for DVD, ABC for BD, what is it for UHD ?
- what is the geographical repartition within those regions ?

I ask this because I can't recall the industry physically implementing a system for region locking UHDs, which would in practice be required to do so, and I can't recall the repartition of the countries having been ever made public if it does exist.

Since that's where, IIRC, we are in terms of public info, I'm quite perplexed over this, which I have a hard time believing is intentional, since I can't even understand how it is physically possible.

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#644 Post by cdnchris » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:01 pm

I've never programmed for a Blu-ray but I assume when the disc loads it's programmed to do a bitwise check against the player to see what region it is and I would assume someone accidentally did that here and simply checked for the region A flag. But I also assumed the player would hold that info back from 4K discs and that appears to be not the case.


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#645 Post by MichaelB » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:10 pm

With Blu-ray you can even program the player to serve up different menus according to the player's region code, which is how Arrow and Flicker Alley were able to economise by releasing discs whose machine-readable side was absolutely identical - it's just that you got Flicker Alley menus in a region A player and Arrow ones in a Region B player.

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#646 Post by Ribs » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:11 pm

4K blu-ray are not, physically, diffrent discs then Blu-ray beyond being 66 or 100; hence, they can have the same characteristics applied during authoring. But it's against the disc spec to use that feature on these discs, so I expect Shout will either have to pay a fine or offer replacements or something like that.

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#647 Post by MichaelB » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:36 pm

Hence my BAFTA Munich example: there was nothing to stop them region-locking those discs aside from the teensy problem that it would render them totally unplayable.

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#648 Post by cdnchris » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:39 pm


Ribs wrote:4K blu-ray are not, physically, diffrent discs then Blu-ray beyond being 66 or 100; hence, they can have the same characteristics applied during authoring.
And they're still programmed in Java so all of those libraries are more than likely the same.

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#649 Post by tenia » Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:51 pm

Ribs wrote:4K blu-ray are not, physically, diffrent discs then Blu-ray beyond being 66 or 100; hence, they can have the same characteristics applied during authoring. But it's against the disc spec to use that feature on these discs, so I expect Shout will either have to pay a fine or offer replacements or something like that.
So it means that despite no region having been defined during their specs creation, the ABC system was still available for use for UHD ?
But then, doesn't it mean UHD have always been region-lockable and regions HAVE been defined (ie simply reusing the BD ones) ?
I might have missed something but that's not my understanding of it which is why I'm a tad confused (though I guess this explanation works anyway).

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#650 Post by Red Screamer » Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:04 pm

My hometown's second to last video store, last locally-owned, announced it'll close early next year due to COVID. They opened in 1986 and had accumulated a pretty huge selection, good enough that I never had to bother with the chains. I knew I wasn't going to find Crimson Gold or Alphaville at Blockbuster. I'm surprised they held on for as long as they did, honestly, especially since they didn't stock XXX fare. At their closing sale, I grabbed some DVD-only silents, B movies, and board favorites for cheap, so that's a silver lining at least.

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