On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#26 Post by felipe » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:40 am

It feels like a movie that could've been made by... anyone. An OK indie movie that nobody would be talking about if it didn't have Coppola's name attached to it.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#27 Post by domino harvey » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:48 pm

This movie was an embarrassment. No dramatic stakes or meaningful complications whatsoever. Those two sentences are more discussion than this movie merits.

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#28 Post by Roger Ryan » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:26 pm

I thought the film was okay as a streaming platform rom-com (certainly superior to the deluge of Netlfix entries in this category such as The Kissing Booth), but, yes, a disappointment coming from Coppola. I like how the opening off-screen dialog establishes a possessiveness on Murray's part that is resolved by Jones in the final scene...
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By replacing the father's watch with the watch given by her husband, she belatedly demonstrates a willingness to extricate herself from her casually domineering father.
... but there's hardly anything in between those two moments that develops that conflict. Murray is asked to deliver some pretty wretched lines, but his performance is the only thing generating any energy.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#29 Post by domino harvey » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:55 pm

The whole film is about avoiding any actual conflict in the worst, freshman creative writing way. Take the lousiest scene in the film, where Murray gets pulled over by the cop. It might have been funny to have him bluff his way out of a ticket, but that he actually knows the guy's dad, which is an unlikely coincidence even in the logic of this character as presented, perfectly embodies the contrived refusal to engage in any dramatic stakes. Murray might get punished but instead he prevails in the most asinine, Mary Sue way possible. I don't think the film ends up critical of him at all. Indeed, it like Jones seems to indulge him to the end. But really the worst character (and that's being generous to label him as such) here is easily Marlon Wayans' bland nothing of a wandering husband, whose "confrontation" in the finale is laughable on its own but kinda pathetic when one buys into the readings of the film that identify Jones' character as Coppola
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"Actually I love you so much that I don't feel worthy of you!" A response not reflected in the actions or behaviors or outward characteristics of either character for the entire film. Did Sofia Coppola really write in a character who treats her stand-in like Homer wanted Poochie treated? Vom

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#30 Post by felipe » Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:41 pm

The cop scene was further troubling for me because the film is has a biracial protagonist (even though race is never mentioned anywhere in it) and there is a scene in which her white father simply gets away for being white but nothing comes out of that situation, and we are lead to believe Jones's character doesn't see anything wrong with that, doesn't - even for a split second, imagine her husband or daughters in the same situation.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#31 Post by beamish14 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:54 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:55 pm
The whole film is about avoiding any actual conflict in the worst, freshman creative writing way. Take the lousiest scene in the film, where Murray gets pulled over by the cop. It might have been funny to have him bluff his way out of a ticket, but that he actually knows the guy's dad, which is an unlikely coincidence even in the logic of this character as presented, perfectly embodies the contrived refusal to engage in any dramatic stakes. Murray might get punished but instead he prevails in the most asinine, Mary Sue way possible. I don't think the film ends up critical of him at all. Indeed, it like Jones seems to indulge him to the end. But really the worst character (and that's being generous to label him as such) here is easily Marlon Wayans' bland nothing of a wandering husband, whose "confrontation" in the finale is laughable on its own but kinda pathetic when one buys into the readings of the film that identify Jones' character as Coppola
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"Actually I love you so much that I don't feel worthy of you!" A response not reflected in the actions or behaviors or outward characteristics of either character for the entire film. Did Sofia Coppola really write in a character who treats her stand-in like Homer wanted Poochie treated? Vom

Don't you know? Art gallery owners are always friends with uniform cops!

This film is so bad it almost made me wish I was rewatching her mother's film Paris Can Wait instead. Every element is wretched, from
Phoenix's forgettable music to the aforementioned amateurish dialogue to the total lack of propulsion to carry the story from beginning to end.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#32 Post by Toland's Mitchell » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:43 pm

I wouldn't say On the Rocks was terrible, although that police scene certainly was. As already mentioned, that scene was dreadfully unfunny due to its serious logistical and tonal issues, single-handedly bringing the film down a notch or two. Outside of that scene, it was a hit-or-miss comedy. Nevertheless, On the Rocks is a stain on Coppola's filmography, who (along with Murray) would be a primary reason anybody would watch it to begin with.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#33 Post by Pavel » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:20 pm

The police scene is def the laziest scene in the movie (and it perfectly illustrates most of the film's weaknesses in a couple of minutes) but I wouldn't say it's much different than anything else. Nothing in the film is even remotely amusing or charming, it's just a bland, gossamer-thin excuse for a movie. Bill Murray's fun to watch, but the script is about as funny as cholera.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#34 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:31 pm

This is very bad, for some of the reasons discussed above and many more. Rashida Jones' character is utterly rudderless, managing to simultaneously be too intimidated to confront her mild-mannered husband and brazen enough to go along with major violations of his privacy. She does not have the film acting chops to pull off this sort of contradiction even if Sofia Coppola were earnestly interested in exploring it (she isn't). Bill Murray is... off, playing the tabloid, 3D glasses t-shirt "epic" Bill Murray archetype that he's always avoided embodying in his films. Marlon Wayans is really the only person to come out unscathed, as he's a magnetic and likable actor.

This is a story on the small scale of Somewhere told in poorly written dialogue instead of the lyricism of the way life feels between words, which has always been Coppola's greatest strength as a filmmaker. Do you (if you do) remember Lost in Translation fondly for all the "rip my stockings" wisecracks at the expense of the Japanese characters or for the heavy silences and knowing smiles between Scarlett Johansson and Bill Murray? If it's the former, perhaps this is the movie for you.

Should add that The Beguiled's period setting hid nicely how much of a step down Philippe Le Sourd is from the late, great Harris Savides. My lord, is this a flat, mediocre looking film. Watching it on a streaming service was a sobering reminder that most newer television shows look better than this film does.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#35 Post by beamish14 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:50 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:31 pm


This is a story on the small scale of Somewhere told in poorly written dialogue instead of the lyricism of the way life feels between words, which has always been Coppola's greatest strength as a filmmaker. Do you (if you do) remember Lost in Translation fondly for all the "rip my stockings" wisecracks at the expense of the Japanese characters or for the heavy silences and knowing smiles between Scarlett Johansson and Bill Murray? If it's the former, perhaps this is the movie for you.

Should add that The Beguiled's period setting hid nicely how much of a step down Philippe Le Sourd is from the late, great Harris Savides. My lord, is this a flat, mediocre looking film. Watching it on a streaming service was a sobering reminder that most newer television shows look better than this film does.

Completely agree about how visually uninspired this film is and the patronizing/borderline racist attitude in Lost in Translation nearly put me off of all her films.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#36 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:10 pm

Somewhere is pretty clearly her best, looking back on it all - and despite its faults, Lost in Translation is a monumentally memorable film as well. And it's a shame (though somewhat understandable) that she can't make something with that sort of swing-for-the-fences emotional resonance every time out. Every great director deserves a swing and a miss here and there.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#37 Post by willoneill » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:23 pm

I was also unimpressed by this film; I was just about to go see it before the last theatre lockdown was enacted at the last minute, so I dodged that bullet and watched it at home. But, if I'm being honest, the cop scene was the only part I really liked. It just gave off vintage Bill Murray vibes to me, and I couldn't help but be charmed by it.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#38 Post by Finch » Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:30 pm

I hate to pile on but I gave up on this film after 25 mins. I just couldn't bring myself to finish it. I'm much more inclined to seek out Somewhere and maybe it'll be the first Sofia Coppola film I'll love (liked Virgin Suicides and The Beguiled, the first half of Lost In Translation really put me off).

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#39 Post by TMDaines » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:54 am

I don't think the film is bad per se, but it encapsulates a score of 6/10 like nothing else. Thanks for the 96 minutes and to never be thought of again.

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

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Re: On the Rocks (Sofia Coppola, 2020)

#41 Post by domino harvey » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:37 pm

About four too many

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