Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 20

#26 Post by domino harvey » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:10 pm

Watching this again recently, I found myself far more compelled with the subplot literally no one ever talks about between Kirsten Dunst and Tom Wilkinson, which serves as a clever metaphor for how we always seem to repeat our past mistakes and find ourselves attracted to the same qualities in each new mate, who is always so different and special, even though on reflection afterwards we always manage to see patterns unnoticed by us during the relationship (here literally erased but undone by our internal makeup regardless)

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#27 Post by Trees » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:27 pm

Am I the only person who felt like Tom Wilkinson was miscast? He doesn't really seem like the kind of person this attractive young woman would have fallen head over heels for, twice.

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#28 Post by knives » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:43 pm

No, mostly because it is clear that looks is not the reason for the attraction. That's even where the title is factored in.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 20

#29 Post by StevenJ0001 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:35 pm

domino harvey wrote:Watching this again recently, I found myself far more compelled with the subplot literally no one ever talks about between Kirsten Dunst and Tom Wilkinson, which serves as a clever metaphor for how we always seem to repeat our past mistakes and find ourselves attracted to the same qualities in each new mate, who is always so different and special, even though on reflection afterwards we always manage to see patterns unnoticed by us during the relationship (here literally erased but undone by our internal makeup regardless)
That subplot is great, and another thing that doesn't get mentioned much is the interplay between Dunst, Wood and Ruffalo, which is hilarious.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 20

#30 Post by mfunk9786 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:39 pm

Trees wrote:
swo17 wrote: Have you never really had a broken heart, one that leaves you in constant agony with seemingly no respite in sight? I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to be free of that pain.
Oh, I have. Maybe that's why I didn't care for Clementine's "impulsive" action. She is brushing off her own pain and dumping it squarely on Joel, with no warning.
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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 20

#31 Post by Harry Caul » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:03 pm

Recently re-watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - for the first time since seeing it in the theater way back in early 2004. Great drama, with an interesting sci-fi twist. I find it very relatable, even more so after seeing it this second time - I think many people can relate to sometimes wanting to forget bad relationships/experiences they've had.

Excellent acting. Kate Winslet was especially amazing in this; I felt her various hair color(s) were almost metaphors for what she was feeling at various time(s). Well done.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#32 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:24 pm

So in a little digging through digital copies of films that are on sale, which is a sort of pathetic thing I do each week in order to cultivate a low-cost streaming library of films (most older films go on sale for $4.99 here and there, so I just gobble them up on sale), I stumbled upon the fact that this film is in UHD on FandangoNOW, but not on any other services.

It's $7.99 and compatible with Movies Anywhere (again, it tops out at 1080p on all other services though, including Apple, so you'd have to buy it at FandangoNOW in order to take advantage of this), so I bit and bought it - I'll give it a little test run tonight to make sure it streams in that resolution and report back on how it's looking/whether it's a new transfer a la The Big Lebowski, which no one expected to be totally redone by Universal but came out looking fantastic in the format.

Will be interesting to see, because there is no UHD disc announced yet, and the poor soul who asked if one is on the horizon on the Blu-ray.com forum got a response that went:

"No.

What a ridiculous post."

Tell us again how we're the mean, elitist forum.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#33 Post by bottled spider » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:36 pm

Brilliant. I remember not entirely liking it the first time I saw it, probably only because I was in the wrong mood at the time for such a melancholy film. This time I was thrilled by the cleverness of it. There's the core idea of reviewing a failed relationship via the process of its erasure -- the viewer becoming more and more invested in the relationship the more it disappears -- and then you have the subplots of the Mary and Patrick characters, which turn out to be more than incidental to the primary plot. When the "virtual reality" stuff going on in Joel's head threatens to become wearisome, there's the counter balance of the real world shenanigans to refresh the viewer.

One aspect of the plot I wasn't clear on:
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When Joel desperately attempts to shield some memory of Clementine from erasure, this is happening strictly in his own head, with no psychic collusion with the real Clementine or her subconscious, right? Ultimately, not a single memory is protected, but "Clementine" manages to implant a suggestion to go to Montauk, that they might meet again. But this is just the Clementine in his head that makes the suggestion, not the actual Clementine -- nothing psychic? It's really a self implanted suggestion, and it's only a gamble that it will work?

As for Clementine in real life, is her presence in Montauk specifically caused by Patrick courting her using the material he stole from Joel? Joel knows what Patrick is up to because he overhears Patrick and Stan
during his procedure, so does that mean he could predict Clementine would probably go there, in spite of her own memory being equally wiped clean? Again, nothing psychic, and not coincidence?

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#34 Post by Roger Ryan » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:10 am

bottled spider wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:36 pm
...One aspect of the plot I wasn't clear on:
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When Joel desperately attempts to shield some memory of Clementine from erasure, this is happening strictly in his own head, with no psychic collusion with the real Clementine or her subconscious, right? Ultimately, not a single memory is protected, but "Clementine" manages to implant a suggestion to go to Montauk, that they might meet again. But this is just the Clementine in his head that makes the suggestion, not the actual Clementine -- nothing psychic? It's really a self implanted suggestion, and it's only a gamble that it will work?

As for Clementine in real life, is her presence in Montauk specifically caused by Patrick courting her using the material he stole from Joel? Joel knows what Patrick is up to because he overhears Patrick and Stan
during his procedure, so does that mean he could predict Clementine would probably go there, in spite of her own memory being equally wiped clean? Again, nothing psychic, and not coincidence?
I think your explanation is as good as any. I would only add that there is an element of predetermination in the film with the final shots...
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... implying that the courtship has already been repeated numerous times or has the potential to repeat. The medical procedure is not perfect, so the "Montauk" suggestion could be that one piece of memory that is always hidden from the technicians. If any aspect of the relationship holds appeal it's going to be the moment Joel and Clementine meet, so "Montauk" could be a shared moment that both parties may be unwilling to let go of and deliberately hide, ensuring that they will continue to find each other and repeat the affair.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#35 Post by tenia » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:19 am

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I took it also as a possibility for multiple repeats of the same thing, but I think it rather is some kind of idea of fate : no matter what they do, even erasing themselves from each other's memories, they'll find each other somehow.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#36 Post by knives » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:57 am

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The script's original ending had the credits running over a montage of them repeating the movie several times over the years.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#37 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:15 am

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I always took the ending much more broadly, in that all relationships have ups and down and their meshes of characteristics will make for a painful journey, but it’s “worth it” so to speak, in a yin yang world. It seems to me to be a statement on the nature of relationships in general being insane by design, yet living through avoidance and fear is no way to live. So we’re doomed to feel hurt by participating, but we’re doomed to miss out on living at all otherwise, so choosing the option with experiences of love is the better choice. It’s a twisted kind of optimism, but speaks volumes to those who have had a series of ‘failed’ relationships in allowing a compassionate reframe to reinforce the decision to risk going through it again.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#38 Post by knives » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:45 am

I imagine that's Gondry's contribution shining through.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#39 Post by bottled spider » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:51 am

Wow, thanks guys, the idea that
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the relationship may have occurred, or will recur, multiple times was not something I picked up on at all (even though I wondered after the movie was over if Kaufman/Gondry had Buddhist concepts of rebirth, karma, and the bardo at the back of their mind when they wrote the script).

Nor had I considered fate (as opposed to mere coincidence), but that's a fitting and satisfactory enough explanation in the context of a romance.
What I liked about the ending, twbb, was that (to my mind) it was utterly ambiguous how optimistic or pessimistic it was.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#40 Post by domino harvey » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:55 am

Isn’t that idea already literalized in the film with the Dunst/Wilkinson subplot? I don’t think it needed another iteration

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#41 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:05 pm

bottled spider wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:51 am
What I liked about the ending, twbb, was that (to my mind) it was utterly ambiguous how optimistic or pessimistic it was.
Yeah definitely, I mean it can’t possibly be wholly optimistic, but if looking at life as a series of these kids of natural tragedies that include pain and happiness, it bears its own kind of catharsis for that worldview. Also knives, that feels so much like Kaufman’s vision of relationships too that I wouldn’t say it’s Gondry’s contribution. He further dissected this idea of the inability to escape our character defects, default behaviors, and uncontrollable investment in a relationship in his latest helm, using very similar philosophical approaches to the theme.

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Re: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)

#42 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:13 am

mfunk9786 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:24 pm
So in a little digging through digital copies of films that are on sale, which is a sort of pathetic thing I do each week in order to cultivate a low-cost streaming library of films (most older films go on sale for $4.99 here and there, so I just gobble them up on sale), I stumbled upon the fact that this film is in UHD on FandangoNOW, but not on any other services.

It's $7.99 and compatible with Movies Anywhere (again, it tops out at 1080p on all other services though, including Apple, so you'd have to buy it at FandangoNOW in order to take advantage of this), so I bit and bought it - I'll give it a little test run tonight to make sure it streams in that resolution and report back on how it's looking/whether it's a new transfer a la The Big Lebowski, which no one expected to be totally redone by Universal but came out looking fantastic in the format.

Will be interesting to see, because there is no UHD disc announced yet, and the poor soul who asked if one is on the horizon on the Blu-ray.com forum got a response that went:

"No.

What a ridiculous post."

Tell us again how we're the mean, elitist forum.
Aaaaaaand... Brand new restoration coming from Kino Lorber on UHD Blu-ray

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