Children of Men

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Re: Children of Men

#251 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:10 pm

Ironically my Arrow’s Children of Men bluray arrived today. Now I’ll get to watch the future.

In all seriousness, this has been happening for a long time. I’m 57 and all my grandparents came from families that had 5, 8, 9 and 11 siblings. That just doesn’t happen anymore in the developed countries. If someone has 4 kids that’s considered a big family.

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Re: Children of Men

#252 Post by tenia » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:57 am

FrauBlucher wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:10 pm
all my grandparents came from families that had 5, 8, 9 and 11 siblings. That just doesn’t happen anymore in the developed countries. If someone has 4 kids that’s considered a big family.
These aren't necessarily the same thing. In hindsight, it doesn't look like all these kids always were wanted, and that men didn't care and women had to bear this situation. I saw a small news article 2 days ago and 2 of the 3 reasons mentioned for the drop in natality in Europe (Germany especially) were "better access to contraception" and "women having better access to culture and work". These aren't necessarily bad things to me.
However, this is a societal choice. What Children of Men is describing is a physiological change making humanity non fertile. This is not a choice.
While the 2 reasons probably are combined to give the current result, what Children of Men describes only is the physico-chemical part of the issue.

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Re: Children of Men

#253 Post by FrauBlucher » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:41 am

I understand that the study and film are not the same. Just following the lead of the conversation.

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Re: Children of Men

#254 Post by Lost Highway » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:57 am

Can anybody comment whether this is a worthwhile upgrade in regard to the PQ ? I can't find any comparisons and barely any reviews of the Arrow release online.

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Re: Children of Men

#255 Post by tenia » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:21 am

It most certainly isnt. It's the same HD master, so anything else would be down to the encode. But I dont recall the Universal disc being problematic there, so the upgrade would be even more limited.

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Re: Children of Men

#256 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:53 am

I have the Arrow release. I’m sure a 2k/4k scan would be an upgrade but this current disc does look terrific.

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Re: Children of Men

#257 Post by Lost Highway » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:26 pm

Thanks tenia, I’ve got the Universal, so I’ll stick with it.

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Re: Children of Men

#258 Post by nitin » Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:28 am

FrauBlucher wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:53 am
I have the Arrow release. I’m sure a 2k/4k scan would be an upgrade but this current disc does look terrific.
It was finished on a DI, very rarely do major studios let alone indies, go back to the negative for a film finished on a DI.

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#259 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:18 am

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flyonthewall2983 wrote:I gotta admit, I wasn't really impressed. When the legend "from the director of Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire" or whatever showed up, all bets were off for me to take this seriously.
As opposed to the director of Y Tu Mama Tambien, who we respect?

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Re: Children of Men

#260 Post by TheKieslowskiHaze » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:29 pm

swo17 wrote:
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The problem is the craft has aged well but the dialogue hasn't
I rewatched Children of Men last night, came on here and searched for this thread to say this very thing. Yeah, the dialogue is often sententious and terrible. The exchange in which a character says she'll be "here for the end" and Owen replies "No, you'll be here for the beginning" is a big oof.

Is this a problem with Cuaron in general? Probably. I thought about my favorite movies of his and noticed an absence of what I find grating in his other movies: Y Tu Mama Tambien's characters mostly avoid pseudo-philosophizing aphorisms, and Roma's mostly avoid talking in general.

I like Children of Men and Gravity, but, removed from that initial feeling of being enthralled by the technical achievement, the cracks show.

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Re: Children of Men

#261 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:36 pm

I haven't read the source material, but is it possible that those lines of dialogue are just adapted from there? I don't know the answer, but I'm not sure Cuaron should shoulder all the blame here by default.

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Re: Children of Men

#262 Post by knives » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:47 pm

Most likely not as the movie has only the broad outlines of the most basic elements of the premise in common.

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Re: Children of Men

#263 Post by dustybooks » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:37 pm

Yes, the film deviates so drastically from the book as to be nearly incomparable apart from its very basic conceit. It’s a very well written book but falls apart dramatically in its second half and I think the film’s story changes are almost uniformly improvements. Sadly it’s been too long since I’ve seen it to speak much to the debate about the dialogue.

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Re: Children of Men

#264 Post by Roscoe » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:15 pm

It's not just the dialogue that oofs in Cuaron's film of CHILDREN OF MEN -- I wince everytime I even think about the name of the ship run by the Fish: the TOMORROW.

For what it's worth, I seem to recall that P.D. James was most enthusiastic about Cuaron's film, as profoundly different as it is from her novel.

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