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Re: H is for Hawks

#1351 Post by knives » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:31 am

Warning to your reasoning. The Big Sky is not a good western.

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1352 Post by Mr Sausage » Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:38 am

knives wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:31 am
Warning to your reasoning. The Big Sky is not a good western.
That legitimately make me laugh out loud (or snort, anyway). What would you suggest in its place?

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1353 Post by knives » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:09 am

I voted for Come and Get It which is actually the film to sell me on Hawks (and Wyler), but any of the others could surely make good conversation.

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1354 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:21 am

These are weird choices, but that’s kind of fun! I still need to see Road to Glory, so I’m going with that

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1355 Post by therewillbeblus » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:23 am

I voted for The Big Sky, which I think is much better than it's given credit for- though it does lose steam in its second half. I'm hoping to track down the longer cut to compare, as I wonder if that fixes the problems. Even though it's definitely a western, the film strikes me as more of a pure adventure narrative rather than incorporating western genre themes. I also love how it focused more on collaborative bonding through empathic gestures, rather than sourced in the face of external threats. It's also wonderfully strange to see Kurt Douglas pull back his intensity to share the screen without commanding it in ways I've rarely seen from him, if ever, including in other large ensemble pieces!

I'd watch Come and Get It again, as I already planned to, and The Road to Glory is very good, but The Crowd Roars is a dud and The Thing from Another World gets worse every revisit for me.

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1356 Post by swo17 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:52 am

domino harvey wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:21 am
These are weird choices, but that’s kind of fun!
This is what happens when I put an entire unfiltered filmography through my random title generator. I often limit choices to titles released by Criterion or at least some other boutique label but that wouldn't have worked here

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1357 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:37 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:23 am
I voted for The Big Sky, which I think is much better than it's given credit for- though it does lose steam in its second half. I'm hoping to track down the longer cut to compare, as I wonder if that fixes the problems. Even though it's definitely a western, the film strikes me as more of a pure adventure narrative rather than incorporating western genre themes. I also love how it focused more on collaborative bonding through empathic gestures, rather than sourced in the face of external threats. It's also wonderfully strange to see Kurt Douglas pull back his intensity to share the screen without commanding it in ways I've rarely seen from him, if ever, including in other large ensemble pieces!

I'd watch Come and Get It again, as I already planned to, and The Road to Glory is very good, but The Crowd Roars is a dud and The Thing from Another World gets worse every revisit for me.
I voted for The Big Sky. It's not merely a good Western - it's a great one, an inspiration on one of my favorite films (Dead Man), and I was glad I caught a rare screening of the restored version at MoMI almost 7 years ago, because that may have been the last time it's screened in any form here in NYC. The restored version (i.e. the longer cut) restores the opening, but I don't recall any footage, or at least any substantial footage, popping up later on in the film. I didn't feel like it lost steam in the second half though - there's something about the way it's structured like an odyssey that makes any dramatic peaks or valleys much less relevant for me. There are certainly plot elements, but its strengths come more from poetic elements than anything driven by a narrative plot.

You're not the first one to mention that about Douglas - I know someone else who isn't a fan of Kirk Douglas's acting but likes how he comes off here (and he quite likes this film as well).

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1358 Post by therewillbeblus » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:43 pm

Great appreciation, I'm definitely excited to give it another shot either way because I think the "losing steam" was more due to how blown away I was on a revisit in the first half. So after the dynamics are more established and they've been on their way wondering out loud about nature of mankind and physical environments so romantically, I was looking for more elevation to maintain what I felt to be profound, yet perhaps (traditionally) cinematically subtle, momentum. The Dead Man comparison is one I wouldn't have thought of myself, but it's perfect in explaining why I loved those conversations so much!

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1359 Post by Rayon Vert » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:09 pm

It's unfortunate the film doesn't even have a dvd release. I wouldn't vote it because of that reason.

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1360 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:12 pm

There’s the French release that comes in a mini-LP box and has English-friendly extras

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1361 Post by Rayon Vert » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:17 pm

I wasn't aware of that, although looking at amazon.fr the DVDs of the fim are listed as currently unavailable. It's also been harder to have access to certain titles from there for international shipping recently.

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1362 Post by swo17 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:24 pm

There was also a UK DVD from Odeon though I guess it's been OOP for a while

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1363 Post by Rayon Vert » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:28 pm

Although of course it's possible to rent on Amazon prime video for 2$.

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1364 Post by therewillbeblus » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:30 pm

Rayon Vert wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:28 pm
Although of course it's possible to rent on Amazon prime video for 2$.
It’s well worth those two bucks, even in a recession!

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1365 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:30 pm

The shorter version, if it’s the same one available to rent on YT

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Re: H is for Hawks

#1366 Post by Godot » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:34 pm

I voted for The Big Sky, because
1. I haven't seen it, but
2. I have 3 copies: TCM 138 min, MP4 download 134 min, and a French release from "Editions Atlas" 120 min (I can't find a link to post, and can't remember if it was from amazon.fr, .uk, or e-bay). None of them have English subtitles, all are about the same VHS-quality image and sound. The TCM is a bit "greener" B&W, and likely not the restored version shown in New York, as I recorded it >14 years ago (when I cut the cable cord). The MP4 has a few sections of 5 or so minutes duration that feature white scratch marks in the center of the frame (top to bottom), and the surgery scenes are very soft and washed out; I think its shorter duration is from 4% PAL speed-up, though I didn't notice a change in audio pitch. If anyone wants either of the longer versions, PM me.
3. It's so rarely shown (not widely released on media) that there isn't as much written about it, so I will cherish reading the forum members' views.

I absolutely love The Thing From Another World and have for years (it's a standard for my kids as well, their first "scary movie" that they learned to thrill to, usually hiding behind the couch, like when the flying monkeys appear in Wizard of Oz).
I have Come and Get It and The Crowd Roars, also in my kevyip, embarrassingly.

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Your Vote Matters!

#1367 Post by Mr Sausage » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:39 am

Random films today.

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A 50s vote.

#1368 Post by Mr Sausage » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:32 am

To coincide with the current 1950s List, here are five random films from that decade.

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1st half of 2020 vote.

#1369 Post by Mr Sausage » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:35 pm

Bit of a shit year so far, but maybe Criterion’s output during that time can alleviate it somewhat. Here are five titles randomly pulled from their releases during the first half of this year.

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Re: 1st half of 2020 vote.

#1370 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:43 pm

Solid slate of picks, my vote is going to Me and You and Everyone We Know because it’s a) my favorite, and b) incredibly inspiring and existentially contemplative regarding filling time with maximum meaning, and so especially appropriate for our current context (though to be fair it’s always timely). At the very least, direct human connections may actually feel like they are expressed in the film when this is over.

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Re: 1st half of 2020 vote.

#1371 Post by Mr Sausage » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:04 pm

Er...I messed up somewhere and the poll ended yesterday instead of today. And there's a three-way tie, to cap it off. So, voting is open again until, I don't know, sometime. Maybe tomorrow night or the night after.

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Re: 1st half of 2020 vote.

#1372 Post by domino harvey » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:38 pm

If Le petit soldat wins the now four-way tie, I’ll see if there’s any previously untranslated material about it from Cahiers and will share out because I need the translating practice

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Re: 1st half of 2020 vote.

#1373 Post by Mr Sausage » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:28 am

Poll closed!

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A Sci-Fi vote.

#1374 Post by Mr Sausage » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:33 am

Here are five films from the collection that the mods have decided are Sci-Fi.

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Re: A Sci-Fi vote.

#1375 Post by swo17 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:00 am

Oh no, Jellyfish Eyes didn't make the cut

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