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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#126 Post by criterion10 » Thu May 15, 2014 5:27 pm

domino harvey wrote:Is this Criterion's first NC-17?
No, Canterbury Tales and Arabian Nights were both NC-17.
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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#127 Post by domino harvey » Thu May 15, 2014 5:28 pm

Interesting-- I assume both were resubmitted by MGM for some previous home video release? Because NC-17 didn't exist til 1990

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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#128 Post by captveg » Thu May 15, 2014 5:33 pm

domino harvey wrote:Interesting-- I assume both were resubmitted by MGM for some previous home video release? Because NC-17 didn't exist til 1990
They had re-releases in 1991 theatrically and were resubmitted.

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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#129 Post by Abstractual » Thu May 15, 2014 6:41 pm

Even more recent than Trilogy of Life, Blue is the Warmest Color.

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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#130 Post by colinr0380 » Thu May 15, 2014 7:02 pm

And if we go back to Laserdisc films, there is always Crash.

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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#131 Post by bdsweeney » Thu May 15, 2014 7:34 pm

What's Salo rated in the US?

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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#132 Post by CSM126 » Thu May 15, 2014 7:35 pm

bdsweeney wrote:What's Salo rated in the US?
I believe it remains unrated.

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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#133 Post by Jeff » Thu May 15, 2014 8:05 pm

Man Bites Dog (1992) was NC-17. In the Realm of the Senses was rated NC-17 for its 1991 reissue. Y Tu Mamá También was given an NC-17 by the MPAA, but IFC elected to release it unrated.

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Re: 722 Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!

#134 Post by captveg » Thu May 15, 2014 8:06 pm

Yeah, no listing for Salo on filmratings.com

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Re: The MPAA

#135 Post by Feego » Fri May 16, 2014 10:06 am

domino harvey wrote:Post creation of the PG-13 rating, brief non-sexual nudity is an almost automatic PG-13 if not R. I can't think of any PG films after the implementation of the PG-13 that had nudity, though I'm sure there are some.
I know I'm replying to an older discussion, but I'm just reading through this thread for the first time and thought I'd chime in. Two PG-rated movies from the 90s that I know of to have nudity are the teen-oriented Airborne and, more surprisingly, the kid flick My Favorite Martian. In both cases, we're talking about maybe two seconds of male backside (if it was female nudity, I doubt either film would have gotten a PG rating, which reveals another bias entirely), and they are both done for comedy.

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Re: The MPAA

#136 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Fri May 16, 2014 10:23 am

The PG-rated Radioland Murders had a brief glimpse of a topless woman (maybe even women, plural—it's a scene where a man bursts unannounced into a ladies' dressing room). I guess it says something about the film that this is literally all I remember of it.

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Re: The MPAA

#137 Post by Shrew » Fri May 16, 2014 11:18 pm

The only movies I recall seeing in high school French were 1990s My Father's Glory and My Mother's Castle, rated G and PG respectively. One of them has some brief male frontal nudity of a boy taking a shower outside. This was the subject of much giggling in 9th grade. Many the MPAA felt the same way?


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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#139 Post by MoonlitKnight » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:32 pm

The MPAA has also gotten increasingly conservative over the last 25+ years (absurdly so, IMO). I can think of quite a few movies I saw in my '80s youth that would likely be bumped up to the next rating today.

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#140 Post by Mr Sausage » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:50 pm

MoonlitKnight wrote:The MPAA has also gotten increasingly conservative over the last 25+ years (absurdly so, IMO). I can think of quite a few movies I saw in my '80s youth that would likely be bumped up to the next rating today.
Really? I can think of far more movies in recent years that never would've come close to sniffing an R rating 25+ years ago. The MPAA have become much more relaxed on violence. We're a long way from tame Friday the 13th sequels being shorn of nearly all blood before being allowed to bear an R. Hell, your average Saw film contains twice as much grue as most of the video nasties causing an uproar in the 80s.

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#141 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:17 am

Mr Sausage wrote:
MoonlitKnight wrote:The MPAA has also gotten increasingly conservative over the last 25+ years (absurdly so, IMO). I can think of quite a few movies I saw in my '80s youth that would likely be bumped up to the next rating today.
Really? I can think of far more movies in recent years that never would've come close to sniffing an R rating 25+ years ago.
Can you give some examples?

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#142 Post by Drucker » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:15 am

flyonthewall2983 wrote:
Mr Sausage wrote:
MoonlitKnight wrote:The MPAA has also gotten increasingly conservative over the last 25+ years (absurdly so, IMO). I can think of quite a few movies I saw in my '80s youth that would likely be bumped up to the next rating today.
Really? I can think of far more movies in recent years that never would've come close to sniffing an R rating 25+ years ago.
Can you give some examples?
The King's Speech?

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#143 Post by Ribs » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:25 am

The film was R-rated due to extended sequences of swearing, which I'm pretty sure would've made it R-rated for as far back as that's been a thing?

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#144 Post by knives » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:26 am

Especially since the swear in question has always been an automatic R (for as long as it has been allowed) when used in a sexual conjugation as it was in that film.

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#145 Post by MoonlitKnight » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:43 am

2 F-bombs is basically an automatic R these days, which is ridiculous given that I heard far worse than that on the average day in the hallways of my junior high. :| 1 is an automatic PG-13. I distinctly remember 2 films from '88 - "Big" and "Beetlejuice" - both having 1 each in them, yet both got PG ratings. It seems any frontal nudity - even in a non-sexual context - is also an automatic R today... though it's hard to truly gauge since most movies with nudity also seem to have a fair amount of violence and/or profanity. :-k

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#146 Post by Ribs » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:47 am

FWIW, Something's Gotta Give got a PG-13 rating, but there's a weird mildly sexist/ageist quibble there that they were like "well, it's alright that it has full frontal nudity because it's Diane Keaton."

The problem with King's Speech is undoubtedly that it's an extended sequence, though; it's a key plot point of the movie, which is what made the fact Weinstein was happy to cut it out to boost box office more upsetting!

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#147 Post by Drucker » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:49 am

I know we're off-topic now, but Metrograph did a series that focused on this exact thing last year, called "This is P.G.?!"

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#148 Post by Big Ben » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:51 am

Let's not forget the infamous case of the MPAA wanting to give an "R" rating to the documentary about bullying. The film, Bully (2011) was just tooooooo harsh for the MPAA and even after 300,000 signatures of protest AND celebrity call outs they refused to budge. The Weinstein Company caved and changed it to make it PG-13.

While I don't like every aspect of the BBFC I think it's a vastly superior rating system and attempts to place all content into context. Tarkovky's Mirror, a film with nudity has a "U" rating the lowest they can possibly give.

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Re: Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve, 2017)

#149 Post by tenia » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:29 am

Seen from France, my main issue with the MPAA isnt its seemingly conservative work, but rather what seems to be a very rigid set of rules.
Saw and Little Miss Sunshine are both rated R, which simply looks like a pure non sense.
I'd love to see the equivalent article of the one linked above, but focusing on movies which seems absurdly rated R.

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Re: The MPAA

#150 Post by MichaelB » Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:11 am

Big Ben wrote:While I don't like every aspect of the BBFC I think it's a vastly superior rating system and attempts to place all content into context. Tarkovky's Mirror, a film with nudity has a "U" rating the lowest they can possibly give.
Non-sexualised nudity has never been a particularly big deal in Britain. Even in the 1950s, nudist camp "documentaries" were passed as being suitable for children even though, to quote David McGillivray's wonderful Doing Rude Things, "there cannot have been one sane adult in the country who seriously believed these films were being made for the sun worshipper".

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