Sadomasochism in Film

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#51 Post by TMDaines » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:34 am

I like how "facesitting" is construed to be potentially "life-endangering".

Working in the public sector, I can easily see how unfit-for-purpose conservative/nanny-state legislation, such as this, comes to pass from my day-to-day working experiences.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#52 Post by warren oates » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:34 am

This is one way in which the U.S. Constitution seems like a way better starting point -- almost always deferring to freedom of expression above all else. These little details of the U.K.'s system surprise me sometimes with their reactionary effects. In much the same way that, absent the strong protections for journalistic speech, your silly libel laws enable rich individuals and corporations (Scientology, Putin) to silence critics and intimidate publishers with the mere threat of potential future lawsuits.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#53 Post by matrixschmatrix » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:13 pm

Well, I don't know that I'd hold the American journalistic system as one particularly free of the control of rich individuals and corporations, but I suspect that's a different debate.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#54 Post by warren oates » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:38 pm

Definitely. You could get pretty granular about it if you wanted, but, with the legal protections they enjoy, even the most besieged American journalists like expats by necessity Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras only need the backing of a single rich individual (like the ones behind The Intercept or RADiUS TWC) to give them a platform and to thwart the efforts of scores of other powerful interests in suppressing their reporting. The national security state has a pretty far reach in the U.S., but I can't imagine anything like the hard drive destruction the U.K. Guardian was bullied into happening in the offices of the Washington Post or the NYT (where an insidious form of voluntary insidery self-censorship, at least in the past decade, has been more of a problem). Anyway, the two much more clear-cut examples I was talking about above concern British publishers' refusals to release Lawrence Wright's recent book about Scientology and Karen Dawisha's new book about Putin -- not because they had any qualms about the reporting, but only because they didn't want to deal with defending the books against lawsuits.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#55 Post by colinr0380 » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:54 pm

Somehow this all must link back to the Paddington movie getting a PG rating. :-k
TMDaines wrote:I like how "facesitting" is construed to be potentially "life-endangering".
John Waters might disagree with you!

And alternatively Monty Python extolling the virtues!

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#56 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:08 am

To bring this back to topic a little, it seems that most recently Preaching To The Perverted was restored thanks to a successful Kickstarter fund and is available to purchase here. I actually might buy it, as I didn't bother with it much before but reading into it has made me more curious now.



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#59 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:30 pm

^ that cocking about aside, I might be willing to forgive the expected success of Fifty Shades of Grey if it means films (and I would say counterprogramming) like The Duke of Burgundy are given the greenlight.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#60 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:17 pm

The Ceremony, about Catherine Robbe-Grillet, widow of Alain Robbe-Grillet. This Vanity Fair article gives a good description of the life she has lead, her romance with Alain and current relationships she is in. It was a fascinating read and I'm sure the film won't be any less than that.
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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#61 Post by Lost Highway » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:59 am

Hellraiser is strongly informed by S&M imagery and I believe Clive Barker likes a bit of leather.

Fassbinder was into kink and while Querelle may be the obvious film to mention in terms of iconography, I find The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant a more interesting way of dealing with an S&M relationship.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#62 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:54 am

I'm sure it's not the case with all horror films that use such aesthetics, but it's bothered me that some have used it to either unwittingly or knowingly demonize SM activity. But I'd be more willing to put that on the shoulders of cop shows and "erotic thrillers" that have done much the same with it over the years too. There is a long, long history of kinky themes in horror movies. Some lately have been riffing on 50 Shades which I find a little funny.
flyonthewall2983 wrote:The Ceremony, about Catherine Robbe-Grillet, widow of Alain Robbe-Grillet. This Vanity Fair article gives a good description of the life she has lead, her romance with Alain and current relationships she is in. It was a fascinating read and I'm sure the film won't be any less than that.
Watched this yesterday. I was actually quite moved, more by the interview segments than the actual ceremonies. That absolute love and devotion to someone who rewards it in mostly punishing ways is something quite different than what I seem to find around me, which isn't too far from the American ideal of love and devotion but sheds into something different when time allows it. I'm sure that's just as much the case in other countries too, and Robbe-Grillet's life is unique in it's bourgeois trappings compared to the other-wise middle-class majority of kinky folk.
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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#63 Post by Lost Highway » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:21 am

flyonthewall2983 wrote:I'm sure it's not the case with all horror films that use such aesthetics, but it's bothered me that some have used it to either unwittingly or knowingly demonize SM activity. But I'd be more willing to put that on the shoulders of cop shows and "erotic thrillers" that have done much the same with it over the years too. There is a long, long history of kinky themes in horror movies. Some lately have been riffing on 50 Shades which I find a little funny.
The Cenobites in Hellraiser aren't evil, they are amoral. They provide a service for those who actively seek it. Unfortunately the fools who get ripped to shreds by them don't bother to arrange a decent safeword. "Aaargh" doesn't cut it.

At least Clive Barker is a film-maker to use this imagery who himself is (or was, I don't know) part of the BDSM community. As a gay horror fan I sometimes struggle to justify my love for politically deeply incorrect depictions of non-mainstream sexuality and gender, but then horror films deal with irrational eruptions of the Id and that can get a little messy.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#64 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:24 am

Did some Googling and this came up.
BAS: To what extent did BDSM inspire the writing of The Hellbound Heart?
CB: Well, I've always had a toe in that world and I'm interested in it, and in my younger days, one of my sources of great pride was that I did an illustration. It went into a magazine called S & M in London, and the magazine was arrested for the obscenity of my illustration. I also think that one of the points of pleasure has been seeing how the mythology of Hellraiser and the imagery of Hellraiser has in its turn influenced the BDSM scene. You know, it's been wonderful to see bodies that are covered in tattoos from Hellraiser and scenes played out that are a complete homage to the Hellraiser movies.
BAS: The biggest compliment an artist can be paid is when life imitates his art.
CB: Absolutely. I love it when people find it sexual. So yes, it was influenced by BDSM, and I guess it has come full circle.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#65 Post by Jean-Luc Garbo » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:53 am

That's interesting to know Barker had a prior history with the scene. I'd been under the impression the look of the Cenobites was something one of the members of Coil had suggested to him.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#66 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:58 am

flyonthewall2983 wrote:Remedy (somewhat NSFW), a film written and directed by someone I've come across on a fetish website I'm on, and have talked to directly a few times, is having quite the difficulty getting off the ground. Which to me is sad because it seems to have come from a real place, and with the 50 Shades movie looming, would act as a proper alternative. It has a Kickstarter account that's been poorly funded so far, which is sad because it's been a long journey for her so far to have it come this close and not get the needed support. Fortunately there's a premiere in Seattle soon, which could help it get seen.

I should say at this point I'm not trying to be a shill for this, something I've been accused of once this week by someone. Not that I'd expect it from anyone here, but the previous experience was embarrassing enough (looking back, I should have gone through proper channels and it likely wouldn't have happened that way) that I feel the need to say as much now.
Remedy is now available on iTunes, Amazon, YouTube and others to rent and own. Here's a review I wrote for Letterboxd.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#67 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 am

I watched Dogs Don't Wear Pants last night. Pekka Strang played the titular character in Tom Of Finland, and really gave a rather affecting performance in that. It was immediately interesting to me he would be in something like this, which takes another view at the subject of fetishism. In line with that, his performance was different enough that I removed any association with the other film. That said I wish the film focused more on Krista Kosonen's character, the dominatrix he finds himself infatuated with. It's a twisted love story, even among some of the films cited here. All a bit over the top compared to the reality, though not so far from it. D/s love is particularly intense, and it's rare films get that. This doesn't. Secretary comes close, but cloaked in that rom-com coating which perhaps made it palatable enough to get the green light.

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Re: Sadomasochism in Film

#68 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sat May 16, 2020 12:08 pm

Marcy Learns Something New is a nice, cute short starring Rachel Dratch that has a very humane touch to it all, and approaches the topic in such a straight-forward way it adds to the overall sweetness of it. NSFW (brief nudity), if you still have W to go to.

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